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2026-01-28

Mary Lou McDonald (recorded as: Deputy Mary Lou McDonald)
Yesterday, everyone here in the Dáil expressed sympathies on the horrific and senseless death of Grace Lynch. I raised with the Taoiseach his Government's persistent failure to keep communities safe. So many communities across the city of Dublin and the country are tormented by persistent antisocial behaviour by those who feel they can do whatever they want whenever they want and who intimidate and harass people every single day. Ask people from these communities and they will tell you that they simply do not have enough gardaí in their communities, on their streets and walking the beat. There are not enough gardaí to provide a strong, consistent, visible deterrent and a quick policing response to those who are quite literally terrifying communities 24-7. Last night, I was at a meeting in my own constituency in the north inner city with residents of Blessington Street square and the surrounding areas. The Garda was there, as was Dublin City Council. This is a community of the finest people you could ever meet. They really look out for each other, care about their neighbourhood and want it to be a safe place to live but that is not the case. Last night's meeting was called because these people's lives are being made a misery. Every day, they are faced with open drug dealing and drug taking in front of their homes and constant low-level criminality and antisocial behaviour. It is not just people's homes. Local businesses are also under huge pressure just to stay open. There is a persistent atmosphere of intimidation and danger. This community has been robbed of its right to safety. The single biggest ask last night was for more gardaí on the street in the community. Gardaí in the area, by the way, are doing their very best but we simply do not have enough of them. The result is that those engaged in antisocial and criminal behaviour, drug dealing and drug taking have free rein to do whatever they want. This is not the experience of just one community, although they are having a particularly hard time of it. This scourge of antisocial behaviour and the lack of gardaí to respond is something that communities everywhere will know all too well. At this time, when communities are crying out for stronger, more visible policing, it is frankly unbelievable to me that gardaí who will be graduating next week will be prevented from starting their work. Why? Their Garda vetting has not been completed. My understanding is that up to 20 gardaí from the class graduating next week will be prevented from getting onto the streets because of this problem - that is, gardaí who are trained, qualified and ready to go, stopped from getting to work because the vetting process is not fit for purpose. You could not make this up. The Garda vetting review was set up four years ago. It submitted its recommendations to the Minister for justice and, even though the Minister accepts there is a problem, he has failed to solve it. How many newly graduating gardaí will be prevented from starting work because their Garda vetting is incomplete? My information is that it is up to 20 from next week's graduating class. Can the Taoiseach tell me if there are more? Can he explain to every community crying out for greater Garda visibility-----
Verona Murphy (recorded as: An Ceann Comhairle)
I thank the Deputy. The Taoiseach to respond.
Mary Lou McDonald (recorded as: Deputy Mary Lou McDonald)
-----how it is that we are in this situation? Can he give an explanation of that?
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
First of all, the Government is absolutely clear on the need to deal robustly and very firmly with antisocial behaviour. An investigation is under way and that restricts what I could say but we are very conscious of the very grave consequences that can arise from antisocial and unacceptable behaviour by people, the degree to which communities are under pressure, and the degree of anger out there in communities at the perception or sense that certain people can ignore the law. We do need to acknowledge that An Garda Síochána is bringing criminals to justice and to account very significantly in terms of the gangland scene in general but also in terms of many other crimes within communities. The key issue for us in the post-Covid period has been visibility. The Government has a policy of very high visibility and the new Commissioner, Justin Kelly, is equally of that view. The position is improving significantly in terms of the numbers coming out of Templemore. I attended a graduation ceremony in Templemore just before Christmas. Huge and record numbers came out, to be followed up by even higher numbers going in. It is not true to say that people will not be able to go onto the streets straight away. I am informed by the Minister that they will. Some 170 are coming out of Templemore next week. They will be on the streets. I have seen it in different parts of the country. The idea has been to allocate significant numbers to given communities. Those coming out next week will be allocated to the communities the Deputy has referenced. I accept the anger in such communities and it does work where you have high-visibility policing. The recruitment and retention is well under way. There is a Garda budget of about €2.74 billion in 2026. An extra 1,000 new gardaí will come on stream, with a doubling of the Garda Reserve as well, to over 600. We ran two recruitment campaigns in 2025. There is a steady pipeline of new recruits. Over 11,000 applications to join An Garda Síochána were received last year. We had 194 gardaí attested in November. In 2025, we had around 617 newly attested gardaí. Some 223 trainees entered Templemore in November, which is the largest intake at Templemore since 2014. The total number of trainees to enter Templemore is close to 800, the largest since 2018. We now have a total of 14,462 gardaí across the State and we are going to continue that level and pace of recruitment on an ongoing basis and for the duration of this Government. The funding will be provided to enable that to happen. The Minister, Deputy O'Callaghan, has already had substantial discussions with the Commissioner in regard to the allocation of those resources to improve Garda visibility across our country but particularly in areas where antisocial behaviour is strongest, and also in our city and town centres, where there has been a lot of activity around drug trafficking-----
Seán Crowe (recorded as: Deputy Seán Crowe)
When is the Taoiseach going to tell us about the Garda vetting?
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
-----and also in regard to theft from shops and businesses and so on. People basically want to go about their normal lives with a sense of safety and security. Greater numbers of gardaí on the streets will help that. That is happening and it will continue to happen.
Mary Lou McDonald (recorded as: Deputy Mary Lou McDonald)
Therefore, there is no firm, robust response to anti-social behaviour. That is the stuff of fiction from the Taoiseach. There is not. Ask anybody anywhere. Ask them in Dublin's north inner city; ask them in communities across the country. This scourge goes unchallenged. Communities are telling us loudly and clearly that one of the ingredients to actually get a proper response is high visibility out on the streets and across the community but that is not happening, and it is not happening because the numbers are not there. I asked the Taoiseach a question about Garda vetting and the fact that up to 20 in a given class of gardaí will be prevented from starting their duties because of an internal Garda process. The Minister, at the committee yesterday, confirmed that was the case.
Jim O'Callaghan (recorded as: Deputy Jim O'Callaghan)
I did not. That is wrong.
Mary Lou McDonald (recorded as: Deputy Mary Lou McDonald)
I am asking the Taoiseach to be very clear and confirm for me what the numbers are.
Niall Collins (recorded as: Deputy Niall Collins)
The Deputy is making this up.
Mary Lou McDonald (recorded as: Deputy Mary Lou McDonald)
How many gardaí are prevented from graduating because of a delay in internal Garda vetting? I would like an answer to that please.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
The Deputy just said the Minister said something at the committee yesterday which the Minister has just very clear said he did not say at the committee yesterday. I cannot respond-----
Verona Murphy (recorded as: An Ceann Comhairle)
Deputies, please.
Mary Lou McDonald (recorded as: Deputy Mary Lou McDonald)
It is on the record.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
I cannot respond. I am not responding to assertions by the Deputy that are not soundly based. Deputy McDonald just pointed to Deputy Carthy, so she clearly did not hear the Minister saying that yesterday.
Mary Lou McDonald (recorded as: Deputy Mary Lou McDonald)
He is the Chair of the committee.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
Yes but the Deputy said it as if she knew it - as if she had heard it.
Pearse Doherty (recorded as: Deputy Pearse Doherty)
The video is there.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
She said it as if she had heard it.
Pádraig Mac Lochlainn (recorded as: Deputy Pádraig Mac Lochlainn)
Was the Taoiseach at the committee?
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
Deputy Carthy was Opposition spokesperson for defence. I know how he can exaggerate and how he can spin and he can do a lot of things like that.
Pádraig Mac Lochlainn (recorded as: Deputy Pádraig Mac Lochlainn)
Was the Taoiseach at the committee himself?
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
No.
Verona Murphy (recorded as: An Ceann Comhairle)
Let the Taoiseach answer the question please.
John Brady (recorded as: Deputy John Brady)
Where were you?
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
The Minister for justice has made it clear to me he did not say that yesterday.
Matt Carthy (recorded as: Deputy Matt Carthy)
Will there be gardaí not attesting next Friday? The answer is "Yes".
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
He is saying it here and I am saying it here in the House now. I am simply saying Deputy McDonald did not hear that yesterday.
Pearse Doherty (recorded as: Deputy Pearse Doherty)
Are all gardaí Garda vetted?
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
I just want to make the more fundamental point-----
Pearse Doherty (recorded as: Deputy Pearse Doherty)
Answer the question.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
The Deputy is not the leader yet.
Pearse Doherty (recorded as: Deputy Pearse Doherty)
Are they Garda vetted?
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
I want to make the more fundamental point, if I may-----
Pearse Doherty (recorded as: Deputy Pearse Doherty)
Why do you not answer the question, if you may?
Verona Murphy (recorded as: An Ceann Comhairle)
The Deputies did not allow the response.
Mary Lou McDonald (recorded as: Deputy Mary Lou McDonald)
We did not get a response.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
On the recruitment numbers, we are recruiting gardaí at record numbers-----
Pearse Doherty (recorded as: Deputy Pearse Doherty)
Are they vetted?
Verona Murphy (recorded as: An Ceann Comhairle)
Taoiseach, the time is up.
Pearse Doherty (recorded as: Deputy Pearse Doherty)
Are they all vetted?
Seán Crowe (recorded as: Deputy Seán Crowe)
The answer is "No".
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
In Dublin city the gardaí have increased significantly and people have seen that.
Verona Murphy (recorded as: An Ceann Comhairle)
I call Deputy Ivana Bacik.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
You are not allowing me to answer the question.
Verona Murphy (recorded as: An Ceann Comhairle)
I call Deputy Bacik.
Ivana Bacik (recorded as: Deputy Ivana Bacik)
At the outset, I want to acknowledge the death of former Minister of State and Labour TD for Waterford, Brian O’Shea. My condolences and those of the Labour Party are with his wife, Eileen, their family and with his community. Let us talk about the Taoiseach’s so-called reforms to the rental sector. He has billed the Residential Tenancies Board amendment Bill as a reset of rental protections but in reality, it is yet another chaotic intervention – the seventh rewrite of rental rules in a decade. That fact alone tells a story of its own because the relentless churn deepens instability, turbocharges rents and creates new legal loopholes and uncertainties. The Taoiseach is dressing deregulation up as reform but creating a system so opaque that nobody understands their rights. Nationwide rent pressure zones sound meaningful until you read the small print. Allowing landlords to reset rents to so-called market value between tenancies will rip up those vital protections altogether. Effectively, it is rewarding eviction. The Government’s plans are not completely meritless – we acknowledge that. It is positive to see six-year tenancies and restrictions on evictions by large landlords. Linking rent increases to inflation is better than the chaos renters face now. However, we can do so much more and we must do so much more for renters. The Labour Party believes renters deserve a freeze now to give real breathing space while prices spiral. We know the modest positive gains are overwhelmed in this Bill and by Government policy by a plan that tries to fix market failure with yet more marketisation. The Taoiseach must know this will not work. His assurances collapse under your assurances collapse under scrutiny. The proof is in the pudding and the Taoiseach’s housing pudding is inedible. Take the tenant in situ scheme. This was supposed to keep renters out of homelessness when their landlord sells but last year in the face of stalling sales under tenant in situ, the Taoiseach insisted to me that the scheme was working as planned. Now, we learn that Dublin City Council purchases under the scheme have collapsed by 70%. Just 77 homes were bought in a year. Eviction notices are landing in people's postboxes with no safety net for families. "Working as planned" really means working for nobody. We see the same pattern in social housing. Councils are increasingly taking enforcement action against developers who are breaching their legal duty to build social and affordable homes. The Taoiseach knows the Labour Party has proposed transforming the Land Development Agency into a State construction company to ensure the State can build directly for the benefit of everyone. The notion of such an initiative seems to incense the Taoiseach. Instead, his policy relies almost exclusively on private developers for the delivery of social homes. This has been expensive, inefficient and ignored. When will the Taoiseach admit that his policies on housing are failing? Will he shelve these new plans for renters and bring in real protections and real commitments for state-led delivery?
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
First, may I extend my deepest sympathies to the family of the late Brian O’Shea and to his wife, Eileen. I served with Brian in the House. He was a thorough gentleman and a wonderful parliamentarian. He was always calm and always thought of things in perspective. Ar dheis Dé go raibh a anam dílis. I find the Deputy’s presentation, if she does not mind my saying so, somewhat incoherent and a bit chaotic in the sense that one moment she uses the word "deregulation". I just cannot comprehend how she thinks a Bill, which will create a national rent regulation framework, is deregulation.
Ivana Bacik (recorded as: Deputy Ivana Bacik)
Of private rents.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
She cannot have it each and every way. We will now have national rent control over the entire country and the Deputy calls that deregulation. We will strengthen the protection for renters through the introduction of tenancies of minimum duration, which is an effective end to no-fault eviction. We are establishing a rent price register. In fairness, the Deputy acknowledged that but at the same time she called all of that chaotic. Both cannot be correct. The arrangements to reset the rental market rate only every six years is important. First of all, six years is a bigger protection than would have been there heretofore but, second, there has to be a balance between attracting private sector investment in addition to the enormous public sector investment in housing. The Department of Finance estimates that to get to 50,000 houses a year, we need about €20 billion in the economy allocated and spent on housing. The State will not be in a position to find €20 billion every year for the next ten years and, therefore, we do need a balance. There is no question but that this emanated from the national Housing Commission although not the specifics. The national Housing Commission was very clear. The Deputy has said this time and again that the Government ignored the housing commission. We did not, actually. We moved on the recommendations pertaining to rent. It said the present situation cannot continue. You have to give permanent clarity and a degree of certainty to the market over a significant period of time and that is what this legislation will do. The reform of the rent pressure zones was necessary and was recommended by the Housing Commission. Real investment in dwellings for the first three quarters of 2025 were up 12.7% vis-à-vis 2024. Completions for the first three quarters of 2025 were the highest since 2008. Planning permissions are up 29% and 50% on the second quarter of 2025. That is planning permissions in the third quarter of last year. Commencements in the fourth quarter of 2025 are up 50% on the previous quarter. The housing infrastructure and investment fund has been announced and there is a further €1 billion there over the next number of years.
Verona Murphy (recorded as: An Ceann Comhairle)
I call Deputy Bacik.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
The feedback from our budgetary measures is positive in terms of getting more apartments going in that particular sector.
Ivana Bacik (recorded as: Deputy Ivana Bacik)
I thank the Taoiseach for his kind words about the late Brian O’Shea. That is appreciated. I did have to laugh when the Taoiseach used the word “incoherent” about my contribution. It is his housing policy that is incoherent. It is his measures on renters that are incoherent. Let me give him two examples. In Galway this week, with our Councillor Helen Ogbu, I heard about students renting Monday to Friday in Galway city who have to move all their possessions out of their apartments on a Friday, so that their landlord can rent out the apartment on Airbnb for the weekend. Where is the coherence in that for renters? Last night viewers of “Prime Time” will have been moved by the renter, Aoife McGrath, who broke down telling the story about how she had received her third no-fault eviction notice in four years and is now in her 30s desperately seeking somewhere to live. These stories are not unique. We hear them all the time from our own constituents, from people desperately trying to find somewhere to rent. These so-called rental reforms in fact will create different classes of renters and will diminish protections for many. They lack coherence, as indeed does the Government's housing policy. When will we see real protection for renters and real delivery of homes at scale?
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
The case the Deputy just outlined would be covered by these regulations and she is opposing them. There is no point in raising individual cases here, with the correct empathy and so on like that, if she then proposes to oppose the very measure that would prevent three such evictions in a short number of years.
Ivana Bacik (recorded as: Deputy Ivana Bacik)
There were 5,450-----
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
That is exactly what this regulation is trying to counteract and deal with. More importantly, I take issue with the Deputy's construction company in terms of the substance behind it. Is she saying we are going to have direct labour in every local authority or direct labour by the State? Is that the model?
Ivana Bacik (recorded as: Deputy Ivana Bacik)
Fianna Fáil delivered homes at scale through a State construction company.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
We have delivered 53,000 social houses since we came back in 2020 through local authorities and through approved housing bodies. That is a good mechanism for social housing and it is working. We need more affordable housing and we need more apartment building in addition to what we are doing on social housing. We are getting results on social housing, no question, where construction is at its highest since the 1970s. We are going to continue with that and increase it in the time ahead.
Cian O'Callaghan (recorded as: Deputy Cian O'Callaghan)
On behalf of the Social Democrats, I express our sympathies to the family of the late Brian O'Shea. He indeed was a gentleman. The Government recognises the significant additional costs disabled people can face in their daily lives. Those are not my words. That is a line that the Minister for Social Protection, Deputy Dara Calleary, has trotted out repeatedly since he was appointed last year. He said it again this morning, but they are only words and do not mean anything. They will not heat a single disabled person's home. The Minister said these empty words while announcing that the Government will tonight vote against the Social Democrats motion to introduce an emergency €400 winter payment for disabled people. This would be a modest first step to help disabled people get through winter until a proper cost-of-disability payment is introduced. He then went on to say, "I do not want a misleading and dangerous message to go out that people must choose between food and heating." Could this Government possibly be any more out of touch with reality? This is what Joan Carthy from the Irish Wheelchair Association said in response to the Taoiseach's comments on Leaders' Questions a couple of weeks ago: While the Government speaks of future plans, reviews and budgets yet to come, disabled people are already living with the consequences of inaction. The emergency winter payment campaign exists because people are being forced to choose between heating and food, cancelling essential medical appointments, and sitting in cold homes because energy costs are unaffordable. This is not hypothetical. It is happening now. Why is the Government claiming that what disabled people are saying is dangerous and misleading? Why is it not listening to what disabled people are trying to tell it about the real challenges they face in terms of heating and the cost of living? The emergency measure we are proposing would cost €124 million. That amounts to just 1% of the €12.4 billion surplus from last year. Taoiseach, please do not pretend that the Government cannot afford this measure and please do not pretend that disabled people are asking for something they are not asking for. Disabled people cannot live on empty platitudes coming from the Government and they cannot pay energy bills with broken promises from the Government. This is a crisis that is affecting people's health and well-being. We are talking about disabled people in one of the world's wealthiest countries, struggling to get through winter, which is shameful. I ask the Taoiseach to explain why the Government has made huge cuts to the incomes of disabled people. Why did it make such a cruel and heartless decision? Does the Taoiseach stand over the Minister's comments from earlier? Why is the Government not supporting the modest proposal for an emergency winter payment of €400?
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
First of all, the Government did discontinue the specific measures that we had introduced for the previous two years to deal with inflation across the board. It was not any one particular sector. The Deputy continually and disingenuously narrows it down and say we made cuts. We got rid of the one-off payments. They were not fiscally sustainable and they are not fiscally sustainable. That is the bottom line here and we need to be honest and real about it. I know those in opposition will not be because they will always come back and say we could provide another €100 million here or €500 million there. Having once-off payments is not a sustainable way to deal with these issues. However, we did take measures in the budget to support people with disabilities, which the Deputy has ignored, because the budget is not just about payments in themselves. Across all five pillars of the strategy, supporting disabled people at every stage of life, we took measures. The cost of disability is one of those and we will deal with that comprehensively in the next budget. We delivered a record 20% increase in disability funding because supporting disabilities is about investment in services. It is about practical supports. It is about opportunities in education, opportunities in employment and opportunities in community participation. That investment in services is vital and needs to happen on a sustained basis, so we put it permanently into the budget - not once-off, but permanently into the budget for the long haul in respect of improving services in all those aspects of life for people with a disability. We have to strengthen mainstream public support and measures for households impacted by disability on a sustainable basis. We increased the core rate of social welfare payments by €10, bringing personal rates to €254. We increased domiciliary care allowance by €20 monthly. We increased the earnings disregard for the carer's allowance to €1,000 per single person and €2,000 for a couple. The analysis by the ESRI and the Department of Finance confirms the positive impact of these decisions. It concludes that the at-risk-of-poverty rate across the population falls by 1.7%, with the largest reductions for older people, a fall of 6.2%, and for the population affected by disability, a fall of 3.8%. Those are not my figures; they come from the ESRI and the Department of Finance. On the cost-of-disability payment, the Minister is consulting. He wants to do it properly and on a sustainable basis and he is working on that. This is a five-year Government. We committed to this and we are going to do it. We are going to do it in a proper structured way and not with a once-off measure or anything like that. It has to be done that way. This is not simple either and let us not pretend it is. This has to be done properly and that is what the Minister is going to do. He was referring to political commentary, not commentary from representative organisations. The Deputy should not deliberately misrepresent in that way.
Cian O'Callaghan (recorded as: Deputy Cian O'Callaghan)
There is no misrepresentation. Disabled people's organisations have been saying this. I quoted exactly what Joan Carthy from the Irish Wheelchair Association said in response to the Taoiseach's comments a couple of weeks ago. She said that disabled people are being forced to choose between heating and food. For the Government to label what disabled people are saying as misleading and dangerous is utterly unacceptable. I do not think the Taoiseach should be defending it. He should withdraw it and apologise for it. The Taoiseach has not even once acknowledged that the budget has cut the incomes of disabled people by €1,400 and he has not once acknowledged the very real hardship that causes for disabled people. Will he acknowledge that and admit the Government got it wrong? We have not been calling for once-off measures; we have said we need permanent solutions. This emergency winter payment is because the Government did not bring in a permanent solution in the budget. Will the Taoiseach acknowledge the hardship the Government has caused? Will he admit it was wrong to cut the incomes of disabled people by €1,400? Will it now take action to restore the incomes of disabled people? It has the resources to do it.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
We did not cut anyone's income by €1,400.
Cian O'Callaghan (recorded as: Deputy Cian O'Callaghan)
Yes, you did.
Paul Murphy (recorded as: Deputy Paul Murphy)
You did.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
Hold on now. We brought in emergency one-off payments for two years for a whole range of sectors. The Deputy knows that well. Fine, he is in opposition and has to spin it in the way that he is spinning it.
Sinéad Gibney (recorded as: Deputy Sinéad Gibney)
You are in government.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
What we did in the budget was to introduce record increases in investment in services for people with disabilities-----
Mary Lou McDonald (recorded as: Deputy Mary Lou McDonald)
That does not pay the bills.
Cian O'Callaghan (recorded as: Deputy Cian O'Callaghan)
They are €1,400 worse off.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
------in education, in health and in areas like respite and residential where we have to substantially increase provision. The way to do that is to allocate funding on a sustainable and permanent basis. The additional needs payments are there and that is what the Minister is referring to as well. They are there for people who are in difficulty in terms of heating and food. Those payments are there and 2,300 people availed of them last year. They are available to people who end up in difficulty for one reason or another. Our social protection programme is there to help people in those circumstances.
Ruth Coppinger (recorded as: Deputy Ruth Coppinger)
There is a very famous poem, which I am sure the Taoiseach knows, by Pastor Martin Niemöller, "First They came". It begins: First they came for the communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a communist Then it says: I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then it is a trade unionist, then a Jew. Of course, eventually there was nobody left to speak out. It is easily transferable to the Taoiseach's approach to the actions of the US President and the Trump regime. You could insert "Mexicans", "migrants", "Muslims" or "peaceful protestors" into any of those lines. Who must they come for before the Taoiseach will speak out? He has not spoken out about Trump's attack on Venezuela and the kidnapping of its leader or about the bombing of Iran. He still has not even ruled out going on the Board of Peace for Palestine that Trump is proposing - a disgusting collection of war criminals aiming to turn Gaza into Vegas. Where does he stand on the unleashing of ICE, operating in the US as a modern Gestapo or as modern-day slave traders? I am sorry this is causing amusement. It is actually very serious. A new poll by Amárach yesterday showed the Taoiseach is out of sync with the majority of the Irish population. Some 47% do not want the leader of our country to go to the White House on our national holiday and give publicity to a dangerous demagogue, colonialist, racist and sexual predator, while 35% do. The Irish public is again ahead of the political establishment. They want the Taoiseach to show a moral backbone. St. Patrick's Day is particularly about the Irish migration experience. What an insult to celebrate it with somebody who is terrorising migrants as we speak. There are many despots in the world but I would like the Taoiseach to focus on the one he is going to greet on St. Patrick's Day. Louis XIV said "L'État, c'est moi" - "The State is me"; Trump is saying "Le monde, c'est moi" - "The world is me". He has to be stopped. The Taoiseach was questioned on this last week and said, "bread on the table". Have he and Fine Gael led us to the point where our economic policy is so reliant on American FDI that we are in moral bankruptcy when it comes to these issues? The single biggest fear of American multinationals pulling out was the housing crisis that the Taoiseach has created - nothing else. Has the Taoiseach seen the videos from Minnesota? People shout across the streets, "They're coming. Stay inside." They whistle to defend and warn their neighbours. Children are screaming in detention camps, modern-day concentration camps for kids. There is a protest going on in one as we speak. US cities are in revolt against Trump. Which side is the Taoiseach on? Will he go and shake hands with the tyrant who is calling them domestic terrorists or will he show solidarity with the ordinary people of the US challenging this dictator?
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
I find the Deputy's contribution interesting-----
Ruth Coppinger (recorded as: Deputy Ruth Coppinger)
That is good.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
-----because she quotes the poem, "First They Came." That is more applicable to the Maduro regime than------
Ruth Coppinger (recorded as: Deputy Ruth Coppinger)
Aw, here we go.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
It is. What is the "aw" about?
Ruth Coppinger (recorded as: Deputy Ruth Coppinger)
You are not giving Maduro a bowl of shamrock. He will be on trial the day you go, actually.
Verona Murphy (recorded as: An Ceann Comhairle)
This is not a back-and-forth, Deputy.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
President Trump was democratically elected by the American people in an emphatic electoral victory. The Deputy may not like that but she cannot actually dispute it. Maduro stole the election and had a regime of repression that was reprehensible.
Duncan Smith (recorded as: Deputy Duncan Smith)
That is not her question.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
I am answering the question.
Paul Murphy (recorded as: Deputy Paul Murphy)
They are executing people on the streets of Minneapolis and you are going to give him a bowl of shamrock.
Verona Murphy (recorded as: An Ceann Comhairle)
Deputy Murphy, you know how this works.
Paul Murphy (recorded as: Deputy Paul Murphy)
They are executing people.
Verona Murphy (recorded as: An Ceann Comhairle)
The Taoiseach will be within his rights to sit down.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
It was a regime of repression and that regime came for people. It created the largest migration out of Venezuela ever in that country's history. I met with migrants from Venezuela when I was at COP. They told me in a very sad way of the demise and destruction of their country by Maduro and Chávez before him.
Ruth Coppinger (recorded as: Deputy Ruth Coppinger)
You only have another minute to talk the clock down.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
People on the other side of the House were sneaking regarders of the Maduro regime. It always strikes me as extraordinary that the main Opposition party attended his inauguration. That is the difference in the House here. Let us be under no illusions.
Paul Murphy (recorded as: Deputy Paul Murphy)
You are a disgrace.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
I am. Of course I am.
Paul Murphy (recorded as: Deputy Paul Murphy)
You are a disgrace. Answer the question.
Verona Murphy (recorded as: An Ceann Comhairle)
Deputy Murphy, it is not your question.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
We have compromised not one iota of our values in terms of our engagement with the United States-----
Ruth Coppinger (recorded as: Deputy Ruth Coppinger)
When did you speak up?
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
-----or in terms of our position, for example, on the Middle East, where there was significant pushback. Ireland is recognised around the world as asserting its principled position. I salute what Prime Minister Carney said at Davos. It is exactly what we have been doing: application of principle and pragmatism. The principle is we believe in an international rules-based order. We have not compromised on that and will not. When it came to Greenland, we very firmly and calmly, along with our European partners and member states - Deputy Coppinger has no time for the European Union but I will say it anyway - did not compromise our core position in terms of the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Greenland and Denmark. We did not compromise at all. That remains our position but I believe in engagement. I do not believe in the Deputy's approach that we should not engage with anybody. If I was to apply her approach, there are many people in the world we would not be engaging with. She is very selective. Her party and group has an obsession with the United States. It does not have to be President Trump; it could be President Biden or President Obama.
Verona Murphy (recorded as: An Ceann Comhairle)
Thank you, Taoiseach.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
That has been a consistent thread in that group's presentations here for the past two decades.
Verona Murphy (recorded as: An Ceann Comhairle)
Now, Deputy Coppinger.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
Not just Deputy Coppinger personally but people with her and Deputy Murphy and so on like that.
Verona Murphy (recorded as: An Ceann Comhairle)
Thank you, Taoiseach. Deputy Coppinger to respond.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
"Bread on the table" is about workers of this country-----
Verona Murphy (recorded as: An Ceann Comhairle)
Taoiseach, time is up. It is Deputy Coppinger's turn to respond.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
------who you purport to represent. You ignore the reality of the importance of that economic relationship.
Ruth Coppinger (recorded as: Deputy Ruth Coppinger)
We are here to question the Taoiseach and Government. The Taoiseach is not here to question us in this slot.
James Lawless (recorded as: Deputy James Lawless)
You will never be in government. You will never have to worry about it.
Verona Murphy (recorded as: An Ceann Comhairle)
Deputies, please.
Ruth Coppinger (recorded as: Deputy Ruth Coppinger)
I have absolutely nothing to answer for in relation to protesting against dictators, including the Iranian dictator, against whom I have been on many protests, and including Putin - I have been outside that embassy more times than any Government members have. I do not need to be selective. The Taoiseach is selective about who is a dictator. He has imposed sanctions against Iran but nothing against Israel which has been genociding the people of Palestine for over two and a half years. Is the Taoiseach going on the Board of Peace? Is he so craven that he has not even got the spine to clearly state he would not take any part in such a board? He has had over a week to answer that question. The reality is there is a civil war, in effect, going on in cities in the US. My faith in humanity is restored by the ordinary Americans who are rooting and standing up for their neighbours and pushing Trump back. He has had to push back.
Verona Murphy (recorded as: An Ceann Comhairle)
Thank you, Deputy. Taoiseach to respond.
Ruth Coppinger (recorded as: Deputy Ruth Coppinger)
It would be nice to have a bit of solidarity on a St. Patrick's Day from the Taoiseach.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
Could I first of all say that yesterday in the House, Government sought sanction for a loan for Ukraine? The Deputy was not there to vote but her colleagues voted against that. We support peace-----
Ruth Coppinger (recorded as: Deputy Ruth Coppinger)
St. Patrick's Day, please.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
I will answer now in whatever way I deem to answer-----
Ruth Coppinger (recorded as: Deputy Ruth Coppinger)
You are not answering the question.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
-----and if you do not like it, that is your problem. The bottom line is this. The Deputy and her colleagues have been consistent on Ukraine. They will preface remarks by saying "We're against Putin, blah, blah, blah" but move on quickly.
Ruth Coppinger (recorded as: Deputy Ruth Coppinger)
You are attacking Ukrainians who live here. We are defending Ukrainians.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
There are 30 million people-----
Paul Murphy (recorded as: Deputy Paul Murphy)
The Taoiseach is the one cutting them.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
Deputy Murphy voted against €90 billion for Ukraine that Europe wanted to give to support the ordinary people of Ukraine to weather the appalling assault by Russia. That is his position.
Verona Murphy (recorded as: An Ceann Comhairle)
Deputy Murphy is out of order.
Paul Murphy (recorded as: Deputy Paul Murphy)
Because the Government voted down the amendments that said it could not be used for weapons.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
You always find an excuse. I want to say this. In terms of our fundamental principles, we do not compromise. We have had a long historic relationship with the United States. It is family and the migratory experience. The Irish built America, along with others.
Ruth Coppinger (recorded as: Deputy Ruth Coppinger)
I asked about the Board of Peace.
Verona Murphy (recorded as: An Ceann Comhairle)
I call Deputy Catherine Ardagh for Other Members' Questions.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
We have made it clear with European colleagues that our main interest is in Gaza and the Middle East in terms of contributing to peace.
Ruth Coppinger (recorded as: Deputy Ruth Coppinger)
Are you going on the Board of Peace?
Verona Murphy (recorded as: An Ceann Comhairle)
Thank you, Taoiseach. I now move to Other Members. I call Deputy Catherine Ardagh.
Micheál Martin (recorded as: The Taoiseach)
That will be the approach we will take.